Nancy Huddleston Packer, the Melvin and Bill Lane Professor in the Humanities, Emerita, discusses how Stanford’s rise to eminence came about largely through the efforts of President J.E. Wallace Sterling and Provost Frederick Emmons Terman. According to Packer, Sterling was adept at fundraising and at making the University more visible in the world, whereas Terman was adept at hiring and keeping excellent faculty. Packer discusses the styles and accomplishments of both men, and how Terman’s hiring strategies affected some departments. Also included in the interview are Packer’s recollections of Herbert Packer’s career at the Stanford Law School and as vice-Provost of the University, of the student unrest during 1966-72, of the establishment of Stanford’s Creative Writing Program, of early challenges to women faculty members, and of how Stanford University has changed since the 1950s.